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Re: New NL Strategy

Post by The Big Donk on Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:47 am

To me, drawing is a huge, and I mean HUGE part of my game. Now maybe my input isn't the best here, seeing as how they call me The Big Donk and all, but I can't help but to love your strategy.... I play roughly the same.

Couple of finer points I add to my game. Position is vital!

If I am out of position to the raiser, I am far more likely to muck. If I have position, I'll almost always call, even with a suited 5 deuce as the diehard donkhards know Wink

Also, the more limpers or callers I have ahead of me, the more likely I am to call, especially if it seems reasonably unlikely that someone left to act after me will not re-raise (watch out for players like this.... you don't want to leave dead money. Be ready to go all the way or get the hell out of the way!)

If I am in a good enough position to raise with it and am first to enter the pot, I'll even raise it w/ the types of hands your talking about.

Play the pot odds. including implied odds. I know, I know, the debate rages on regarding "implied odds." My stance on it is this: poker is not a game of certainties, it is a matter of calculated risks, with risks being the key factor here.

If you're up against a player who tilts, and he just got sucked out on (and you made sure to laugh at him to get him riled up, like you should) the hand before, the odds of him getting his chips into the pot are very high.

If you hit a flush draw, your implied odds are lower than say if you hit a gutshot draw (that you lead the betting in) with a semi-connector.

Now I know I am a bit of a complete and total donkey, but I am also a profitable player.... and I love your style!

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Re: New NL Strategy

Post by datsme53 on Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:39 am

I guess I'll chime in here too as well....lol! I'm not a huge fan of drawing hands, but I'm NOT going to say that I don't play them.. because I will. I don't always play drawing hands... several factors apply. There are also many different opinions as to just what is a "drawing hand". My take on it is this... if your pretty sure your behind... you have a drawing hand.. whether it's for a str8, flush, over cards... etc. Any time you have a str8, or flush draw in what ever combination... is always a drawing hand as far as whether or not you get a "made hand". Sooo... playing a drawing hand could be considered many hands.

To me... the 3 biggest things in poker are: 1. Position 2. Position 3. Position
Having position will determine many things for me when playing a hand. Since we are talking about drawing hands.. I'll refer to it in the context of drawing hands here. When I have position, like the button or close... the likelihood that I'll play the hand increases significantly. I don't think you want to play drawing hands in a definite pattern. This could be picked up on by good players and they could get a read on you more easily..... so I like to mix it up from time to time to force my opponents to play me more straight up. Knowing your opponents habits will help you determine when to play drawing hands, but it's not always evident when playing online.

As TBD said in his reply... pot odds should play an important part in deciding when to play a drawing hand. If your 3 to 1 to hit your draw after the flop, and your getting at say 4 to 1 return to call.. a call or a raise is warranted. I'm not going to say that every time the pot odds are there that I'll go for the drawing hand. I'm a player that likes to get the chips in with the best hand... so drawing hands and playing from behind do not fit that MO..lol! I will play drawing hands if the situation fits. Early on in a tourney, for example, is not(IMO) a good time to play drawing hands... especially when it involves, or is likely to, involve a big pot or an all in. If your willing to play a drawing hand, and the outs you have are enough to go for it, you may very well have to be willing to push in your chips in order to be able to finish playing the hand. An opponent that puts you on a drawing hand very well may force you to put in your chips in order to see your cards... so I don't like to play a drawing hand that I'm not willing to put in my chips on. Different situations may come up that you would want to put in your chips on a draw, so, that is the decision you may have to be willing to commit to. I don't like to..."well.. I'll call this time to see the turn and see what happens" kind of a deal. I usually only like to play a drawing hand that I'm willing to go to the river with. How much is it to call in order to see the turn.. and then the river will of course make a difference.

Another thing I always like to keep in mind when playing a drawing hand(or for that matter... ANY hand).. I think it is better to give yourself more than one chance to win a hand. How do you do this you ask? Raising instead of calling is a way to give yourself ANOTHER chance to win the hand. To me, raising poker is winning poker. Calling poker is losing poker. When you play a hand you have a chance to win the pot if you have the best hand. If you call a hand... that is the ONLY chance you have to win that hand. If you raise... you automatically give yourself a second chance to win the hand in that your opponent has to decide to call/raise or fold. Raising with a drawing hand can be a very good strategy... especially when a situation warrants it. If your opponent bets the minimum, checks or raises small, a raise with a drawing hand will give you the chance to take down the pot without drawing to it. Knowing your opponent and raising with a drawing hand when you think he's not strong can give you an advantage that should not be overlooked. If your opponent calls your raise.. you still have an excellent chance of taking it down with the drawing hand.

Soooooooo lol! Drawing hands.... should you play them? Take stock in all the factors involved and decide... but IMO.. don't be too tentative when playing them. Take all the factors together and make a sound decision.. and when you decide to commit to a drawing hand.. then PLAY it... don't give it away.

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