To people who think online poker is rigged.

Lets take a trip in my time machine, back to a few months ago. 60
minutes runs a special on ONE online poker site "Absolute Poker" and
yes it is one of the online sites where I play, well mainly play, trust
them 100% and Ubet.
Suddenly at my former security job, people
were coming up to me acting like online poker experts...."You said you
play online poker right? You going to quit playing now and finally get
smart?". Now normally my response to this would be to call them a idiot
and walk off but I decided to try to hold out a intelligent Olive
branch and try to have some Peace.
So I told them "Look.... yes
there was a online user on Absolute poker who had a super account
linked to the company, yes they/he/she stole millions of dollars and
could see other players hole cards, yes Russ Hamilton a poker pro was
behind it and his fat ass is in Vegas and was never brought to justice."
I
usually like to start of agreeing with people, so they get a sense that
I completely understand where they are coming from, then I will go
ahead and prove my point.
"Did you not catch the part where
everyone, who was stolen from got their money back with interest? Yes
there were a lot of questions about how they could have handled this
whole situation better at first, even denied it was possible at the
start. However when the evidence was brought to light, it was handled
very impressively, the player's money was given back with interest and
Hamilton is now a outcast from poker, and black listed. Which is
probably even worse than Jail time."
Usually when you say something
that makes sense, people take a long time to search for something to
say, really I think they were just trying to throw rocks at my glass
house. People tend to label things and believe the first thing they
hear when it comes to something they are not a part of. We will use
tattoos for a example, when I did not have them and wasn't shaving my
head, I got tons of job offers before the poker years, when I was in a
band. Why because I blended in I was normal on the surface it was
almost like mainstream society came up gave me a huge hug and said
welcome to the family.
When I slowly morphed into the person I am
today, the gap between them and myself in general became wider and
wider. Then I was accepted by a smaller group of people who were real.
People at a few of my jobs, were asking me if I did or sold drugs,
there was even a time when I was brought up as a suspect of destroying
company machines. (which is all untrue of course no criminal record).
All
of this came the more I became my real self, instead of trying to blend
in. See none of the people who were putting these labels on me, had any
tattoos, were into the music the band played, they had much different
goals. Yet they were experts on how people with tattoos do drugs, guys
with saved heads and tats have all done prison time,musicians are
people who sleep around and cheat. You get the point I hope.
Online
poker is the same deal, one bad example and suddenly everyone who
doesn't play poker, or isn't a good poker is united that it is rigged.
Or everyone who plays is a gambling addict (addicted to poker for sure).
You
can search online, just search "(enter the poker site here) is rigged"
you will find countless people complaining about how,THEY ARE ALL
rigged, they lost to a bigger full house,lost with a straight flush to
a royal flush, some stories are so utterly fantastic it is like
listening to your drunk friend at the bar impressing a chick about his
many years as a dolphin therapist.
All this can do is fuel the US
congress ignorance even further, the only reason they are against this
in the first place is they can't figure out a way to make decent money
of it. Full tilt poker alone makes 40 billion dollars a year, combine
the top sites together, it would most likely surpass 100 billion
dollars.
Right now they have banished online poker players to the
far ends of cyberspace with some states having harsh penalties that
rival drug crimes....idiotic and all from playing a game.
For the
cry babies who post all over the net about these sites are rigged, you
need to realize you are either on a long bad run that happens, or you
just plain suck.
In Vegas players get drunk and blame a dealer for
the bad run of cards, I have heard these players call dealers assholes
and cunts. Makes me sick, they should be knocked out. Online the "sites
are rigged". I will give you a example of how a bad player thinks
online poker is rigged, I will probably lose you non poker people out
there because you probably barely know what hands beat what. So I will
try to make this simple.
A player who has won a few cash games,
against friends gets online and thinks he can really play poker, that
he is really really good (all poker players think they are better than
they really are, even the great ones).
From first position (meaning
first person to act) they have K J of clubs this player raises it up,
one person in late position calls. The flop comes 10 Q A the bad, house
game player thinks "Oh yeah baby hit a straight" So he bets the person
in late position calls, the turn card is a 10. So the person with K J
is betting big time, the person in late position goes all in K J calls,
person in late position has AA giving him a full house Aces full of
10's the river is a dud because K J is drawing dead. He complains how
online poker is rigged blah blah blah how it is a set up hand.
Lets
break this down, K J, played a average hand in horrible position, he
simply should have folded the hand, so what do we have him doing wrong
already? Him over valuing cards. He hits the flop gets very lucky suck
out against AA, he keeps betting not even taking into consideration
what the other player likely has. Turn card is a 10, the best hand
before the flop AA won. Again the player who played a average hand in
early position not thinking about what the other player has bets out
and the player with the full house makes the money off the weaker
player. That is how poker works over time, if the donkey would have
laid down the average hand like he was suppose to, never would have
occurred but then again Pros and better players do not want him too.
Just
a example really, or guys who lose with AA, who go all in pre flop
which just how it works sometimes. AA doesn't mean it can't be beat, it
just means you will probably win between 75% to 90% of the time
depending on the hand match up of course.
So in closing anything
over time, is going to have some bad things happen, no matter if it is
your job or online poker and someone who isn't good at something or is
unlucky is going to try and blame anything rather than accepting they
are either unlucky or dare to accept the fact...they aren't as good as
they think they are.
While there are some smaller sites out there,
like any business that simply cannot be trusted and will screw you
over, like any business good and bad ones.
The large and medium big
name online poker sites are not rigged or set up, if you think so you
are only 1 of 3 kinds of people. 1. you believe whatever you see on T.V
or read. You are a dumb ass who doesn't play poker or you are just
conservative and or your mommy and daddy had a gambling addiction. 2.
You are a complete idiot who doesn't realize you are just being unlucky
so you should quit poker and take the time to be a chess professional
where no luck is involved 3. You are a bad poker player, a donkey, a
fish. You need to believe your poker game is great because your life
sucks, and you are in a dead end job. You need to quit and do what you
can to better your life or tell me online where you play so I can take
your money. Don't worry I'll spend it wisely : )
Oh and I wanted to
set the record straight about Absolute poker, because I have read if
you are in America it is really hard to get customer service here, and
never by phone. You are all full of shit.
My first deposit which was
only 100 dollars to test out, was mainly to check out the site, play
some poker, black jack to pass the time, then invest thousands in my
account. I am happy with the results and here is why.
My first
deposit Absolute poker called me about 5 seconds later and I talked to
Tom, he wanted to make sure all my information was correct, my credit
card and everything was legit, he was like a long lost buddy on the
phone and wished me a lot of luck. I know for a fact that Poker Stars,
Full Tilt and Cake Poker do not do this, and if they did sure would not
do it for someone who deposited 100 dollars.
I know cause the last year I have put thousands of dollars on full tilt and poker stars.
You might be thinking Hey big deal, so what? Just a used car salesmen line.
I won a Pot limit Omaha tournament my second night on there, finished first out of 31.
I
get a email from Absolute Poker saying I need to contact their security
department by phone (toll free number). They wanted to make sure I was
legit, went over the details of my account one more time, and it was
great to see a company that would go in detail like that. So that is
two personal phone calls in a matter of days.
I can promise you full tilt and poker stars does not do that.
There
were two players, being overly rude on full tilt, and working together
on a cash game Omaha table. I sent a email to support, pasted the logs,
told them I thought it might be a team game. Another player did as well
I was not alone.
Well 4 weeks later I still haven't heard anything
back I know they got my email as well, amazingly the cashier department
was right there to make sure my money got in and out okay, through
email no hands on voice customer service.
I'm not saying Full Tilt
is a bad place to play, In fact I think if you are a high roller that
is the only place to play online mainly based on the Omaha 2000/4000
blinds. Honestly I get the feeling they are almost too busy to get back
to medium and low level players.
So yeah Absolute is a great place
to play, the people are great, the players are much nicer and
respectful on there, then on the bigger two. They have cleaned the pest
who was the insider and now they provide the best experience online,
with Ubet. When it comes to online Poker.
People who post on the
net are just losing players, making stuff up about a company that has
made every effort to make me feel at home.
That is why they will always be first in my book.

I heard all the negative stuff about absolute on a poker broadcast. they were even saying how it was amazing people still had accounts there. Of course they happened to be sponsored by one of the big names in poker. I guess a lot of what you said makes sense around Christmas for about 2weeks I had an amazinly good run at Carbon a loosing session would be like down .40 meanwhile winning 3 way all ins catching sets against pocket aces having aces against kings or queens. You would have thought I had inside connections there but with the new year it all came to a screeching halt, now another site that I wasn't having luck at is being good to me.

Regards Guy

Thanks K9, yeah everyone has "their" room I guess. I have tried them all out. I also have the attitude lighting usually does not strike the same place twice.

I know poker stars and full tilt, have never had any big time, insider cheating scams.

Between you and me? Makes me a little nervous simply because it's a little too good. Not trying to imply anything, just how I feel.

i always felt the players who complain that online poker is rigged are the ones who can't beat the game. there is some cheating that goes on i'm sure but not enough to make me leave. donko there was a cheating scandal on pokerstars though, a player named potripper could see everyones cards. i remember him playing a wsoop event with vanessa rousso and she got bumped up a spot in the money after it was revealed he was a cheat. i think there is something on youtube about it.

I think its rigged , they keep leting me itm on alot of frerolls theres sumthin wrong with that.But i wont complain.

i hear the same thing all the time, it's rigged. well absolute did have an scumbag employeee that was cheating, but once it was found out. the big and i mean big internet poker cheating scandal came out. but absolute is 100% legit now that that is over i believe. could there be cheats out there, i'm sure there is. money and greed go together, but i think most all sites do not want the publicity of getting caught cheating. with internet poker already getting a bad rap. not to mention the legistation trying to ban it. it would just give them more ammo to completely ban it and then what would we do with our time. not to mention the money these sites are taking in.... thats my two cents on internet poker cheating

What would you think if you got pocket aces 4 hands in a row like I did on a site. I know it was not rigged for me , but to what do you attribute that to. Never saw that in a live game!!!!!

What would you think if you got pocket aces 4 hands in a row like I did on a site. I know it was not rigged for me , but to what do you attribute that to. Never saw that in a live game!!!!!

I completly agree about absolute being cleaned up....altho alot of players on the tilt and stars consistantly bash them.My wife has an account set up there and she loves it...the action(amount of players) isn't the same but considering what they went through its a wonder they are around at all.Having said that i myself play on the site from time 2 time with complete confidence.

outlaw696 u said u got dealt AA four times in a row.. the odds of being dealt this are 2,385,443,280 to 1 , so yeah i'd like to know what site u were dealt this on and i will never ever play there.. thats an astronomical figure. so if u have the hand history u should let people know. but either way could u tell me what site that was on? and just to compare that the odds of getting a royal flush with AKs is 649740 to 1 so .. how many royal flushes have u been dealt.